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Poll: Obama's Speech Buoyed Public Support

Seeded on Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:53 AM EDT
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Last week, just 40 percent of these adults approved of how the president was handling health care. More, 47 percent, disapproved. After the speech, 52 percent said they approved and only 38 percent said they disapproved. Those are the best assessments for Mr. Obama's handling of health care shown all year by CBS News Polls.

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Mike Rupert

Good job, Barack.

  • 10 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:53 AM EDT
AlexandraJolicoeur

Did you really need a poll to tell you this? Anyone who pays a decent amount of attention to politics understands that anytime the POTUS gives a speech on something, comes out strong (and provided he doesn't blunder the thing) the peoples fears and concerns are temporarily eased. They've polled stuff like this so much that at this juncture, it's just about numbers.

What will be telling is if the public support maintains or rises... I'm betting it wont.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:48 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

Of course speeches help, but sometimes for the right reasons; and in this case, there have been so many falsities and lies out there, his attempt to clear many of these up, could have actually informed many people who weren't before; and my guess is that it did.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
AlexandraJolicoeur

See, I don't know about that; on it's face, sure it did. He outlined things in a comprehensive and coherent way, and I think viewers responded to that; but the key word is outlined. The reason I think the sentiment will change again is, the specifics aren't there. Much of what he said sounded great, but the current legislation doesn't support it without many amendments, and when people start asking in depth questions that their politicians (including the pres) can't answer, they're going to run into the same problem again.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:02 AM EDT
lisaed

Mike---dig through the data and not just the CBS headline---the people who saw the speech like obama at 52% but support for and clarity surrounding this legislation remains just as dismal now as prior to.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:03 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

True. Another aspect is that the truth is, most people are never going to get into much of the specifics. I've heard people on both sides say, and I believe it to be true also, that believe that about 80% of people don't know a lot of the specifics. The GOP has done a good job of distracting people, and I hope Obama quelled some fears (lies) that the GOP likes to purport. Only time will tell, but going from 40% approval to 52% is a good sign in my opinion.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:08 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

Of course, Lisa, but it's a step in the right direction. Maybe not from your point of view; I think you're a Republican? The Republican lies have to be addressed, and he did that somewhat. I think it's encouraging; but I think the bottom line is that whether support drops a bit, most people on both sides of the aisle now strongly believe legislation will be passed - and it's NOT going to be what Democrats - or Republicans - want completely; but change is necessary.

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:12 AM EDT
lisaed

Mike---and who will address Obama's lies? Like not adding one dime to deficit? His discussion on how he plans to pay for this massive new entitlement was nearly non-existent--and what he did say was actually laughable. Maybe a bit trite but true---the devil is in the details.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:24 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

Here you go, Lisa. And I know you think some of what he says is laughable; that's cool. I've heard enough of right wing opinion on the issue; and the last thing I'm going to do is get in a debate with an individual who's mind isn't going to change. Don't worry; I respect your opinion.

Here:

Dems Say Health Care Bill Will Pass This Year

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/11/dems-say-health-care-pass-year/

I think it's a wonderful thing; and I think, Lisa, that many people really don't want to hear Republicans at this point. Your people's record fiscally for the last 8 years has been beyond atrocious. You should have held your leader's feet to the fire when you had the chance. Now you've lost it, and you're going to have to live with it. You have a good day.

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:29 AM EDT
AlexandraJolicoeur

Mike- I beg to differ with your assertion that most won't dig into the specifics. I saw a great many people at town hall meetings who had printed out the house bill and had it in hand. I personally know many people who have tried to read it online and who've printed it out (it is much easier to read through when printed!) who don't understand what this or that means, and politicians have yet to explain what their constituencies don't understand. Simply saying "this isn't in there" "this will be covered but that won't" doesn't cut it; anyone trusting a politician's word this day in(and?) age is a fool, and I don't consider myself a fool. I want specifics- the who, what when where how... particularly the how. How is this legislation to be put in place, how is it administered, how are we going to pay for it. These questions and many others need to be addressed in specifics, and IMO, have not been.

Well, I'm off to work now :) Thanks for the discussion

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:32 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

I'm off too Aleandra. And, good points. I think the people who've attended town hall meetings are the most passionate, aware, and involved. But I think it's a small majority who keep up as well as they do. Waves are good; I'm off to go surfing :)

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:38 AM EDT
Pat-#@!&!#@


  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:31 PM EDT
storyartist

Mike: What you wrote above in #1.8

many people really don't want to hear Republicans at this point. Your people's record fiscally for the last 8 years has been beyond atrocious. You should have held your leader's feet to the fire when you had the chance. Now you've lost it, and you're going to have to live with it.

They should add this to the toolbar on Newsvine! I hope I'm as succinct one day as this. Thanx for sharing your insights with us.

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:14 PM EDT
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JP-892794

BULL! Obama the phony isn't fooling anyone that isn't a commie lib!

NOBODY! Change ther mind. This is the MSM hope.

I could have wrote this for them before the phony pres opened his lying mouth!

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:20 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

Maybe, JP, rather than showing everyone how emotional you can get, how about instead showing you know what you're talking about by speaking about the facts of the health care debate. You seem like a passionate person; why don't you write an article, so all Newsvine can see what you have to say?

And by the way, it shouldn't be, "I could have wrote". The word you want to use is "written".

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:30 AM EDT
greck

don't feed the troll, Mike.

  • 3 votes
#2.2 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:01 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

I think it's a good thing to challenge people sometimes. Maybe it'll make him think?

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:03 AM EDT
mazie-475724

I agree with you Mike.  Anytime we keep silent on a subject we disagee with, we run the risk of being perceived as being in agreement.  Also, we deprive others of another viewpoint which may be far more intelligent and beneficial to sound decision making.

However, if we wish a different point of view to be taken serioulsy, it must be presented in a respectfull, thoughtful and intelligent manner which is based on fact rather than prejudiced ideas.  Otherwise, our words are dismissed as the unintelligent, emotional rantings of a fool.

  • 6 votes
#2.4 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:39 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

Very very well put, Mazie. I could not have said it better...It's good to remember these things on Newsvine. It's easy to get caught up in the emotion...but maturity and intelligence asks for more.

  • 2 votes
#2.5 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:41 AM EDT
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Gaithersburger

President Obama's speech was fantastic. The Republicans showed - yet again - that they are nothing more than pouting little children.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:25 AM EDT
mybrainworks

I thought the speech went well. As someone who had voted for Obama (I am an Independent) I had been a bit disappointed so far but his speech gave me hope that something, even if it is not exactly what I would wish for, will be passed. This is an issue close to my heart for many reasons. The republicans have fought this for too long. As many of know it mostly because of political reasons. If you want to know the money behind the politics go to.... opensecrets.org

I wish that the American people would stand up and call for civility in our discussions of our differences. Then maybe we could get to business of helping the people of this country.

  • 1 vote
Reply#4 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:57 AM EDT
servus_aus_tex

Obama needs to do several more speeches to keep countering the fearmongering and scare tactics that the right-wing and insurance companies are putting out there. He needs to do one a week until healthcare reform is passed. Obama was late in the game doing the speech he did this week, if you ask me.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:04 PM EDT
storyartist

He DOES do weekly addresses. Just not to Congress. Go to his web site to find out where the internet video is played (my computer speakers are no-op so I'm not up on video-based news sites).

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:26 PM EDT
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servus_aus_tex

I'm glad the people of America want details and more clarification about the healthcare reform bills that are out there. Now, if we can just get Americans to demand the same when it comes to when people start beating the drums of war, and weapons of mass destruction and things like that. But if you ask questions about that, you're labeled a traitor, anti-American or whatever. If Americans had demanded the details and facts and truth behind the rhetoric leading up to the Iraq war, Americans would have said no to the war. Or maybe we'd all be living at Guantanomo or Abu Ghraib as terrorist sympathizers.

  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:09 PM EDT
puddin-1139715Deleted
SeattleBobb

I would support Health Care reform if step number one was TORT REFORM. Without tort reform, we are in for one heck of a goat show. Lawyers are licking their chops and smelling blood right now!!!!

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:34 PM EDT
Kim-298921

Great. You can have tort reform.

It reduces costs about about 1 or 2%.

Please now tell us how 'tort reform' stops insurance company abuses, and gets uninsured people covered. Remember, all you have to work with is 2%. Oh, hell, I'll be generous, 5%.

  • 2 votes
#8.1 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:03 PM EDT
SeattleBobb

I don't have the time at this moment to find you the figures, but you literally think that the malpractice insurance that doctors have to carry and the insurance that every medical device manufacturing company has to carry and every pharma producing company has to carry due to the fear of ridiculous lawsuit amounts because so many hands are in the pay off pot only has a 1% or 2% effect on the cost the health care?? I disagree.

Tort reform will not stop insurance companies abuses, but it will be one factor among many that will help to reduce the cost of health care which is a major step in making it more accessible to others. It will also reduce the amount of insurance needed and reduce the insurance companies profits. Simply ignoring such factors and rushing to put in a public health care system that will further drain the financial life out of this country is irresponsible. You must focus on the root cause of issues instead of just putting in place band aids. If you want stories of my doctor friends and how when they are required to carry more malpractice insurance to protect their careers and how that cost is passed on to the patients and insurance coverage, I can gladly send them to you.

Please don't think I do not believe insurance companies need to be regulated more, they absolutely do, but do understand that is just one of many factors that need to be addressed to put in place a successful system.

  • 1 vote
#8.2 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:57 PM EDT
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jkrystof

I appreciate his good speech making abilities but I still do have some concerns about what he says.

I feel these are legitimate and would hope the words he spoke to me as a citizen are reflected in any bill put out.

1. Obama said no government bureaucrat will be between me and my healthcare. Well then take out the health council that is currently in the bill..I mean he said it so hopefully it won't be included in any bill. That's not asking for too much I don't think.

2. He says I won't lose my coverage I like right now. Well what happens when my company decides its in their financial interest to change providers or just drop providers altogether in these hard economic times? They'll take the tax hit because it's cheaper than providing the insurance. I don't think these are scare tactics or anything, just concerns.

3. He says he wants to eliminate caps on insurance companies to have to pay for any treatment regardless of price (great in theory I completely wish for that). Also forcing them to mandatory provide routine check ups (also I completely wish for this as well, it's something that we should have in this country).

But my concern is how can you expect insurance companies to eliminate caps and be forced to provide routine check ups AND provide extremely lower "affordable" coverage to everyone? That is a real world concern and standard economics.

4. He also said a public option would have to be self sufficient on the premiums it collects.

Just like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were intended to be self sufficient. I don't know of a public anything that competed well in a market with private companies.

These are just regular concerns and I'm not trying to scare anyone. I think everything is admirable he speaks about wanting but it doesn't mean there can't be legitimate real world concerns. I'm not trying to kill reform, we need it. But it seems to me there is already a mindset of what they want and thats what they want.

I'm holding Obama to all of his promises, and I'll remember which ones are fulfilled as he spoke to me the other night and which ones he was all talk to get support. I'm holding him to his word or until the ultimately the bill proves him otherwise.

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:41 PM EDT
mazie-475724

I wish all the people who are demanding so much in specifics, details and cost had been more active when Bush sought the authority to invade Iraq. Of course it could be they feel they made a mistake then (by not getting involved) and don't want to make the same mistake again. Bush petitioned Congress for the power to go to war as he saw fit. If Obama could do the same with health care reform, this would be over and done with.

I would like to see 'Health Care Reform' passed in total. Once the stranglehold on our present healthcare system is loosed, the patient will be able to breathe. Then, with hands no longer around our throat, we can go about the business of making corrections. The parties interested in keeping their hands around our throats are spending MILLIONS to create fear and thereby sway public opinion in an effort to keep their financial applecart from being upset. My opinion... the apples have worms. Let's upset it.

  • 2 votes
Reply#10 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:16 PM EDT
SeattleBobb

Yes, isn't is funny and scary when people react, support, and vote purely on emotion!! Both sides of aisle are guilty of this. Acting on pure emotion seldom creates a sound outcome. Our country was emotional about terrorism then and is now emotional about healthcare. Lets hope someone or group has the ability to put the heart strings down and make a well edcuated, informed, and realistic plan.

Nothing is more scary and dangerous than blinded political bias!

    #10.1 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:22 PM EDT
    jkrystof

    So maybe now we want specifics because of history.

      #10.2 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:03 PM EDT
      servus_aus_tex

      We are not going to get unemotional. We are not going to get rational and logical, or well-informed. Because corporate America pulls the strings in Washington D.C. and and all these crazy, insane stories like cutting off Granny and all the rest, those scare tactics are being put out there by corporate America who doesn't want anything to change.

      To me it is just like the weapons of mass destructions fearmongering that was put out there by the interests up in Washington D.C who wanted to go to war for the dollars, and knew they could get away with it by using 9/11 as the excuse, especially if they fearmongered long enough.

      So until the Amerian people grow up and become adults instead of easily manipulated emotional children(and I don't see that happening), it's not going to get any better.

        #10.3 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:07 PM EDT
        jkrystof

        Like I said it's not an American thing. It's a human nature thing. Don't knock Americans so much, you can find the same thing throughout history anywhere.

          #10.4 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:15 PM EDT
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          servus_aus_tex

          puddin....If Obama knows there is 60 billion a year in Medicare fraud happening every year, and he knows how to fix it, as he said he did, why is it not fixed? This guy is a tin horn shyster, to be kind.

          Uh, I think they are working on it. What do you expect them to do snap their fingers or wave a magic wand and it is instantly done? How long has he been in office? 7 months? Eliminating the fraud will be part of the overall healthreform process.

          Why didn't Bush and the Republicans "fix it" when they had total control of both Congress and the White House for 8 years? Why didn't Bush and the Republcans address the healthcare situation when they had control?

          • 1 vote
          Reply#11 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:08 PM EDT
          servus_aus_tex

          mazie...I wish all the people who are demanding so much in specifics, details and cost had been more active when Bush sought the authority to invade Iraq.

          This is exactly what I think also when I hear people screeching about they want more details and specifics.

            Reply#12 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:10 PM EDT
            jkrystof

            so we can't learn from the past and want specifics now. what's so wrong with that? I'm holding Obama to his promises. The current bill in the house doesn't fit some of those promises thats all. Lets get both lined up.

            • 1 vote
            #12.1 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
            servus_aus_tex

            We are not learning from the past. It is the same fearmongering. We were fearmongered about weapons of mass destruction, now we are fearmongered about healthcare reform. In one instance, we were fearmongered to DO something, which was the wrong thing to do, and in this instance we are being fearmongered NOT to do something, and I hope we ignore the fearmongering this time and do the right thing.

            America is not a country of mature adults. America is a country of emotional children who are easily manipulated by fear.

            See to me, all you have to do is see who is behind the fearmongering, and WHY they are doing it, and then you see their motivation. The fearmongering about healthcare reform is being done by the insurance companies and others in corporate America who don't want to lose the strangle-hold they have on consumers. Since corporate America pulls the strings in Washington D.C. by who they contribute to, you'll see that the leading Republicans who are also putting out scare tactics about healthcare reform get large sums of money from the insurance companies.

            So I have to think who has my best interest at heart or America's best interest a heart. Do I think the insurance companies have America's best interest at heart? That would be a big no.

            • 1 vote
            #12.2 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:13 PM EDT
            jkrystof

            I wish all the people who are demanding so much in specifics, details and cost had been more active when Bush sought the authority to invade Iraq.

            That was the quote. And I'll I was saying what's wrong if some people want specifics now? Whats wrong with asking the government for specifics now, I mean it does effect both of us.

            I do agree with you as well, it's all about fear mongering in government to get what you want ultimately. it's pathetic and a shame it happens. Thats how you get a large group of people onboard with you.

            America is not a country of mature adults. America is a country of emotional children who are easily manipulated by fear.

            I'll just let you in on something, this is not only America. This is a human nature thing. You can find it any society and culture throughout history. A great saying I remember to this day is "people are like ants"....they follow. And when one person incites the fear others follow their lead.

            And just like you say you don't think insurance companies have best interest at heart, i'm not convinced our own government does either.

            So lets just say the government has whats best for us at heart (which I'd question from their proposed bill), I have a big no next to their competence to provide it.

              #12.3 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:37 PM EDT
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              WILDWONDERFUL

              You people screamed when the government gave all the money to the banks.

              I still say we should have not given them the money

              People screamed when we gave the money to GM and Chrysler

              New report says they will not be able to pay it back

              Look at the Pork Bill

              You want to see your tax dollars at work go view the ACORN video

                Reply#13 - Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:57 PM EDT
                AlexandraJolicoeur

                a little off topic, but an interesting note (derived from your GM/Chrysler bailout reference):

                my brother and his wife recently purchased a new car; they wanted a mazda, but their financing is through Chase (who also received bailout funds) and they were turned down. they ended up buying a new ford fusion, and had no problem getting financed, as ford has direct financing.

                the government teat gives not nourishment; rather, shackles and chains.

                • 1 vote
                #13.1 - Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:58 AM EDT
                WILDWONDERFUL

                Alexandra

                Your brother and his wife comment makes me ask this why would they not have financing before they bought the car ?

                If I needed to borrow money for a car I would have the money approved before I ever stepped on the lot.

                  #13.2 - Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:42 AM EDT
                  AlexandraJolicoeur

                  Wild,

                  well, they hadn't anticipated having to buy a new car, but they were in an accident which totaled their other car.

                  also, have you ever purchased a brand new car? i mean, perhaps some people get their financing beforehand, but most people, when they're looking to buy a new car, find one they like, agree on a price with the dealership, and then the dealership helps them finance the vehicle. Most dealerships finance through other banks, but Ford Motor Company has it's own financing, they don't outsource it.

                  of course you can go to your local bank and ask for a loan to purchase a vehicle, but they're going to ask you questions you can't yet answer about said vehicle... perhaps thats why the paperwork comes last?

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.3 - Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:52 PM EDT
                  WILDWONDERFUL

                  Alexandra

                  Thanks for your response. Yes I have purchased a new car. I always have my line of credit lined up before I buy anything. I am considering buying a house for investment. I have already called the bank and told them what I may do. I have a friend who says dig your well before you get thirsty.

                    #13.4 - Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:41 AM EDT
                    AlexandraJolicoeur

                    Wild,

                    Sounds like you are proactive, which is nice. Unfortunately not everyone has your situation. And, I would wager that most people go the route my sibling did. And regardless, my point was, Ford Motor Company is in a better position to sell cars, make money, do it's part in the auto industry and the ripple effect that has on the economy, because they didn't take govt $.

                    • 1 vote
                    #13.5 - Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:18 AM EDT
                    WILDWONDERFUL

                    Alexandra

                    I agree with your take on Ford. I was just trying to share with you and maybe others to create a relationship with a Banker before you need money. One of the bankers I work with I have known for over 25 years. I know my way of doing things may sound strange but it works.

                      #13.6 - Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:24 AM EDT
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